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even if you don\'t know the law, just common sense would inform you that laws cannot be applied retroactively unless deemed a safety hazard. And even then it would have to be a severe hazard. Like a car from 10 years ago will not pass emissions regulations today. That car has to be able to pass the regulations from when that car was manufactured. The EU cannot say that you can no longer use your iPhone with Lightning or your Canon camera because they don\'t have USB Type C ports. when they were created, maybe USB-C was not available at the time. That would be like changing the rules of citizenship. If you were made a citizenship 20 years ago but now the rules have changed on how to obtain citizenship, they cannot revoke your citizenship. You earned it by following the rules at the time you obtained it.
The problem could be with Canon's older models that have a micro USB port. I don't know if anyone knows how many total unsold there are, but it's potentially a sizeable loss for Canon and other manufacturers if there's no grandfather clause. Canon DØØMED?Both my R and R5 can be charged through USB-C already. Just put the cable in the USB-C port on the camera and it will start to charge. I think this applies to most if not all of Canons new cameras. It works with LP-E6N and LP-E6NH
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Can any of those models actually be charged via that port? If not, it’s moot.The problem could be with Canon's older models that have a micro USB port. I don't know if anyone knows how many total unsold there are, but it's potentially a sizeable loss for Canon and other manufacturers if there's no grandfather clause. Canon DØØMED?
The problem could be with Canon's older models that have a micro USB port. I don't know if anyone knows how many total unsold there are, but it's potentially a sizeable loss for Canon and other manufacturers if there's no grandfather clause. Canon DØØMED?
Can any of those models actually be charged via that port? If not, it’s moot.
How is USB-C a mess? it is the most complete USB interface ever released, and shares an interface with thunderbolt.USB-C is a mess of a standard.
If the EU is going to mandate USB-C PD then they should be part of the standards body.
The problem with the USB-C connector is that it is capable of handling multiple different protocols and charging. However there is no requirement for ports to provide anything over then basic usb 2 connectivity. This means that a consumer had no way of knowing what a usb-c port on a device is actually able to do.How is USB-C a mess? it is the most complete USB interface ever released, and shares an interface with thunderbolt.
All true! In general, the universal form-factor trumps all that for me, but disallows me from ever considering generic cables. I do agree that it is annoying to find out the hard way that a particular cable is only good for charging, or may provide an unknown data rate. I've been surprised to connect a hard drive to find out that a cable is only providing 480mb/sec. To be fair, that cable came with a power brick. Now I label any random cable in my kit as fast or slow.The problem with the USB-C connector is that it is capable of handling multiple different protocols and charging. However there is no requirement for ports to provide anything over then basic usb 2 connectivity. This means that a consumer had no way of knowing what a usb-c port on a device is actually able to do.
This leads to massive confusion because people see a USB-C port an expect it to do things it may not do.
The same problem applies to cables. Alot of usb c cables don't even support USB 3 speeds let alone thunderbolt or 100w charging. Just by looking at a cable you have no idea if it supports high speed charging, usb 3, thunderbolt, display port etc because there is no obvious way of telling. The only way to find out is to plug it in a see what it does.
Usb-C is a great connector. But the way the USB forum has implemented is so catastrophically stupid, misleading and confusing it's beyond a joke.
The fact your even asking tells me Richard did a bad job of informing his readership. The title should have been "All Devices Already On the Market are EXEMPT from New EU Requirement" and it should have led with the part of the directive that explicitly says so. Instead he only mentioned this like half-way through the article, where you and probably many or most others missed it.Wouldn't they allow for already manufactured products to keep the older designs? I think this because with other laws, there will at least sometimes be a "grandfather " clause to make exceptions for this type of thing. For example, there was a bar and school near each other and then a law was made about not selling alcohol near schools, but because they were already there the law couldn't affect this particular situation.
You make good points but arguably we just need a clear set of symbols. As a 56 year old with a bad cataract (who until recently had TWO bad cataracts!) I also hate the ENTIRE ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY for making symbols so small and hard to read. My desktop system's front ports are labelled in 3 point dark matte silver on a charcoal background. From 50cm/18" away I can't even tell for sure they're labels not dust specs. And this despite the equivalent of 8 60W bulbs in the ceiling just 120cm/4ft behind me. My monitors have rows of 9 identical black buttons on them that have labels embossed on them I've never been able to read. Same with consumer hi-fi, where not only the front panels but even the back panels are labeled in this nearly impossible-to-see text... Funny, no matter the maker at least their BRAND can be read from across the room!Usb-C is a great connector. But the way the USB forum has implemented is so catastrophically stupid, misleading and confusing it's beyond a joke.
Agreed! It was quite confusing and gauchely written.The fact your even asking tells me Richard did a bad job of informing his readership. The title should have been "All Devices Already On the Market are EXEMPT from New EU Requirement" and it should have led with the part of the directive that explicitly says so. Instead he only mentioned this like half-way through the article, where you and probably many or most others missed it.
One Plus smartphones are officially banned from European markets (patent infringement). You can still buy them from Amazon...and elsewhere.I see. I have a hard time seeing the carriers here in Sweden stop selling iPhone 13 or 14 models as long as they still have them in stock. Let's see what happens when the date passes.
No they definitely can not. I think it's only the USB-C models.
@Richard CR did the group a disservice by posting an alarmist article that half-way through, as an aside, says that existing approvals are grandfathered. I'm sure he meant well but by trying to structure the article as a tease, he's actually spreading worry on this topic instead of setting it to rest.The problem could be with Canon's older models that have a micro USB port. I don't know if anyone knows how many total unsold there are, but it's potentially a sizeable loss for Canon and other manufacturers if there's no grandfather clause. Canon DØØMED?
Yes, I’m sure that’s why Canon didn’t include an LC-E6 with the EL-5 Speedlite.Each phone is sold with a new charger... It's about time to end this mess.
I chose to put this as an opinion because I’m not a lawyer, and while my background is in engineering, we are talking about a rather convoluted subject matter. That really can only be answered accurately by lawyers familiar with the legislation. We won’t know for sure until after December 28th, but in my opinion,
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How do you account for California forcing truckers to replace engines in their trucks 2 or 3 times just to keep up with incremental changes in emissions rules? Also, they forced retirement of perfectly good earthmoving equipment and put many contractors out of business in the process. Bargain prices on used dozers here in Oregon thanks to CA rules. As I said before, when the Govt turns authoritarian, they can do whatever they darn well please (at least until the next revolution).No-go zones for cars in certain areas is not an example of retroactive legislation - just say'in. (I taught rule making at Law School)
I'm really not sure.Can any of those models actually be charged via that port? If not, it’s moot.
That means it can't be a problem for Canon, right? Once again, Canon not DØØMED!No they definitely can not. I think it's only the USB-C models.
No, this decision was made to please Canon's stockholders...Yes, I’m sure that’s why Canon didn’t include an LC-E6 with the EL-5 Speedlite.
The easy solution is not to for expectations without checking what the manufacturer claims.The problem with the USB-C connector is that it is capable of handling multiple different protocols and charging. However there is no requirement for ports to provide anything over then basic usb 2 connectivity. This means that a consumer had no way of knowing what a usb-c port on a device is actually able to do.
This leads to massive confusion because people see a USB-C port an expect it to do things it may not do.
The same problem applies to cables. Alot of usb c cables don't even support USB 3 speeds let alone thunderbolt or 100w charging. Just by looking at a cable you have no idea if it supports high speed charging, usb 3, thunderbolt, display port etc because there is no obvious way of telling. The only way to find out is to plug it in a see what it does.
Usb-C is a great connector. But the way the USB forum has implemented is so catastrophically stupid, misleading and confusing it's beyond a joke.