One other issue for Canon is price.....since the R52 will be most directly competing with the Z8, Canon won't be able to sustain a price above $4k, at least not for very long. I've seen new Z8's with US warranty as low as $3200 of late. IMO the Canon has to have a stacked sensor and improvements to its already good AF. The faster sensor readout and electronic shutter with no distortion are minimum requirements to be competitive now. On the AF front, Canon has lots to build on so I'm hoping for something faster and more accurate than the competition.
R5 can be found under 3k. And AF has been progressed a lot on Canon side. Z8 isn’t better than R6ii nor R3, so it shouldn’t e a concern. Nikon has never exceeded Canon Sony on the AF area in mirrorless era.
Ok, let's start from the a7III in 2018, the a7IV was 2021. The a7C was 2020, the a7CII was 2023. How is that a regular ~4 year cycle?
On average, Sony's release cycle is faster than Canon's or Nikon's. Not massively so, but faster.
I think it’s an illusion that Sony‘s cycles are faster. Canon Nikon is releasing 1 less generation in comparison, and Sony is releasing reskin versions more than ever. Counting them as new products isn’t fair on Canikon.
I would disagree with that. Lens collections create a lot of brand stickiness. Canon EF users are much more likely to buy a sub $100 EF to RF adapter with their new mirrorless camera than to switch an entire system. Most people do not want to spend extra thousands of dollars on new lenses in addition to a new body, especially since there is no penalty to adapting and only brings benefits.
Nikon played a major wrong move when they entered mirrorless by pricing the F to Z adapter exorbitantly high at $250 (or was it $299?). Add to it the fact that no screw drive so it alienated a lot of older lens customers, subpar AF so lenses did not work as well, no initial halo lens selection to get the base excited, and the results speak for themselves.
Nikon likely got some wildlife enthusiasts back with their excellent big tele primes and z8 and z9 and captured some retro nostalgia with Zfc and Zf (but ironically no retro lenses to capitalize on it aside from the not really retro 28mm and 40mm compacts). As for the rest of the market, there is little compelling reason to jump/switch back to Nikon.
Exactly, EF to RF performance Is unmatched by any other. And the lack of good entry-midrange bodies from Nikon is holding them back.
The gap between the A7iii and A7iv was 3.5 years. If we're going to round to whole years, that gets rounded up not down.
The A7C was based on the A7iii, released in a compact body style. When the A7iv came out, the A7Cii was released about a year later. Expect future A7C series cameras to come around a year after the camera they are based on.
Z6: Nov 2018
Z6ii: Oct 2020
Z7: Sep 2018
Z7ii: Oct 2020
Considering those are the only two second generation Z mount cameras from Nikon, doesn't seem like they have a track record of a long release cycle. Z6iii and probably Z7iii are due soon, ~3.5 years after the v2 models.
Is Sony releasing faster than Canon? Yeah, probably a bit, but not to the point of "creating excessive ewaste" or whatever it was that you originally said. Sony is still the company that is driving MILC forward while Canon and Nikon play catch up from a technology standpoint.
I really hope Canon has spent the money to make the R1 kick the A1's butt, the market needs it.
Z6/7 and Z6/7ii aren’t really new generations, there not enough upgrades to call it gen2. So Nikon is pretty much all behind on models below Zf Z8.
Sony will continue to eat away at Canon's marketshare. And Nikon's, what little there is left of it.
Maybe the enthusiasts that influenced by the Sony PR machine on internet, in the end…Only the high and low end of the market matters.
If you move the goalposts and say that Sony allows 3rd parties to compete with their lenses, then that is correct but eats into their sales/profits... they had no option at the beginning as they had no lenses for their new bodies. The metabones etc adapters were pretty dodgy at times but users were happy enough to wait for native lenses.
At the moment Sony gave away the mid-low end lenses to 3rd party…which is bizarre as those cheap lens probably milks more money per unit(look at Canon)
Sony releases new models more often.
We can argue that meaningful updates are on a 4 or 5-year release cycle.
Agree. Sony releasing ZV-E10 that’s the same hardware(minus EVF) as a6100 which is the same as a6400, a6300….
Canon lost so much to Sony...only MILC...mainly in APAC. Yes, then primarily in Thailand. For cameras sold on Tuesdays. Between 1400-1500h. By a salesman named Somchai. Not moving the goalposts, at all.
APAC as a whole are brainwashed by the Sony PR machine. Widespread of enthusiasts dumping their EF/F gears for no good reasons and purchase E mount gears. And the other extreme is young girls getting Fuji that doesn’t track well in AF.
I do not have any statistics. But here is a little real-life story: I have a 7-day bread-and-butter shoot (nothing artistic) for a University after 10 days. All my regular team members are unavailable for one reason or the other. I contacted several big rental houses for recommendations for assistants. All, I repeat ALL of them said that they do not have anyone good with Canon cameras, they all are good with Sony.
I remember around 10 years ago assistants who worked well on Canon cameras were everywhere. Btw, it would be ignorant to presume that India is a small market...
My search for an assistant who is good with Canon cameras continues...., but if I want someone for a Sony camera, lots are available.
if those using Sony cannot use a Canon….i think the problem is their brains.
I would say that Nikon had more unusual lenses than Canon.
However, the perception was that Canon lenses were generally superior.
back in the days, the TS lens and varieties of white L are more more unusual than Nikon. Nowadays Z line up is pumping out usual focal lengths, whereas Canon introducing lenses with no predecessors.
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